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The Spit 'n' Argue Club Monday, February, 08, 2010
by John Fischer

I caught an intriguing article yesterday in the Los Angeles Times, part of an "L.A. Then and Now" series ["At these debates, expectorations were great," February 7, 2010, p. A36]. It was about an informal open-air club that met daily next to the Long Beach pier to chew tobacco, whittle and debate. Someone observed that they did nothing but spit and argue, and thus the Spit 'n' Argue Club was born. That was somewhere in the 1880s, and remarkably, the tradition lived on for over three-quarters of a century, finally succumbing to talk radio in 1972. It was a quiet death and few noticed. It's no coincidence either that the 1970s marked the end of civil debate and the ushering in of an era of choosing sides, demonizing the opposition and shouting without listening. We could sure benefit from some spittin' and arguin' these days.

The Times article reported: "profanity and alcoholic beverages were banned, as well as bathing suits. It seemed almost blasphemous to debate the existence of God while wearing swimwear." It's good to have a few ground rules when you meet to debate important things.

My favorite comment was from a columnist in 1935 that made the observation that "when you know a thing, you merely speak it, but when you are rather doubtful, you must assert it so loudly as to overwhelm all opposition."

This certainly applies to the truth we know about the gospel of Jesus. No need to shout just set it forth plainly, because the power is in the message, not the delivery. Simple statements, simply spoken. The truth doesn't need help.

Would that we could have our own Spit 'n' Argue Club—a safe place where anyone can talk about anything without prejudice or judgment. A place where all questions are welcomed and encouraged. A place where loud assertions are not necessary.

But anyway, if you can't form a club, you can always be one. Act this way and you will create an environment of civility around you. God only knows how much we need that right now.


"…we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." (2 Corinthians 4:2)


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Today's date: Friday, September 10, 2010
Deana Tuesday, February 09, 2010
I'm delighted that my 19 year old son received an education that allows him to participate in the Spit and Argue Club. I've renamed it, though, for his local branch: The Huff and Puff Club, as they conduct their debate over cigars rather than through the chew. As a "good" Baptist girl, it was difficult to get past the cigar part, but I've grown to appreciate this wonderful tradition and The Great Conversation.

I've also grown to realize that the buffet down the street does as much harm as any cigar, but that's a topic for another day.

John Fischer Responds
Love to hear more about that!

Greg Monday, February 08, 2010
TX
I liked this catch. As I thought about it I think a main reason there is a lack of civility at times is that it's hard to remain civil and to force your body and tongue to do what it's supposed to. It's hard to give the other person the benefit of the doubt that he is virtuous even though I think he is wrong. It's hard to humble myself to realize I may be wrong. It's hard to bite my tongue and stay quite until that urge to strike is calmed down.

Lori Bradley Monday, February 08, 2010
Just "argued" with myself all morning about how to approach some old friends I've reconnected with on facebook who are radically different than I am. I want them to understand the relationship I have with Jesus, not the list of rules they might have been acquainted with as kids or the conservative right they may have become acquainted with through "demonizing the opposition." Thoughtfulness, consideration, kindness..."setting forth the truth plainly", these are the things I want to do. Thanks for the article.

Jimmy Barlow Monday, February 08, 2010
Miami, OK, USA
It is amazing how we Christians think that we have to "help" the Lord with His gospel of "The Good News". We have spit and argued for at least 175 years in this country, splitting off from one another everytime we couldn't stand the heat of the argument, everytime we simply could not agree to disagree. We completely ignored the admonitions of the Lord about being one body and fractured it to the point that if I were an un-believer, I wouldn't know which fragment to turn to to satisfy the God given hunger in my heart to know Him.
I sincerely hope that we Christians will clean up our act and put away these fences of division. It is way past time. People! the Lord is coming soon. Have we, the church, finished the commission that He gave us? Or have we been "spitting and whittlin and wasting our time? You know, honestly He does not need our human wisdom to do His work. All He needs from us is that we would lift Him up....He will draw all men to himself.

John Fischer Responds
Okay, that too. But I was actually seeing some value to healthy debate which it looks like this club might have fostered. If we did more talking about our differences, we might actually find how alike we are.

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